The Flushing Line viaduct cleans up real nice Anyway: I think that lots of expansions where there is no ROW to just place cars on, instead could be put into service as light rail (granted there are no obstacles like narrow roads and triggered politicians who cause everything to stop working) could be a nice supplement to the subway (free transfers too!) Crescent sections of the Jamaica line, clearing most but not all of the messy The second is a simple addition of new switches which is what Im going with. Allows handicap access via one elevator instead of three. Trains descending the ramp can access either the local or express track.[22]. This also makes me question realigning existing radial services into SAS. Unlike at Eastern Parkway there were no track connections ever designed and the station itself sits in the middle of the intersection. If we are going to think outside the box, we ust consider the people who will be having trains running through their buildings while a stop is not even placed within walking distance. Just an idea! MTA Bus - B14/B17 - Eastern Pkwy & Utica Av. On a side note, the Rogers Street Junction needs to be rebuilt regardless of any extensions. The storage/layup tracks ends with bumper blocks on both ends, with a switch to the northbound express track on its west end and a switch to the southbound express track on the east end.[8][7]. On the other hand, your SAS plans involve building at least two complicated junctions to active tracks (including one under the East River) and lots of reliability-tanking interlining. Kings Hy/Beverly Rd is 564 yards away, 7 min walk. In fact I am writing this today because I want to get ahead of whatever the official plan might state; I have very little faith in MTA planners and I feel that anything they release will be overly designed in a way so that its D.O.A. Like Court Square-Court Square awkward? (This post was also meant for a different article.). On narrow right of way, place one track at ground level and the other above. So maybe building the subway part of Utica isnt appropriate at this time. Crown Heights-Utica Avenue is a station on the IRT Eastern Parkway Line of the New York City Subway. 7 of NYC's Abandoned Subway Stations: City Hall, 18th St, Worth Street, Myrtle Ave, 91st St 9 of NYC's Abandoned and Incomplete Subway Platforms and Levels 5 of NYC's Never Completed or. The first would create a new flying junction below Eastern Parkway which would allow all trains to merge on their own tracks freely and the second would install two switches just pas the junction letting express trains bypass local trains. What do you figure the cost of the subway portion of the line to be? While there are arguments to be made for extending the Nostrand Ave Line south I would argue that with the addition of Utica Ave that demand would be reduced as riders coming from the east or southeast would take Utica over a bus to Nostrand. The first is that much of the line, as proposed by both IRT and IND engineers, was to be an elevated line. Are you saying that IRT cant handle the demand? is still only two flights up. My first thought was that this doesnt jibe with LEX being the busiest single line but then I tallied the ridership numbers for the three lines that go up the west side for a number thats 2 and a half times as big. 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The 2nd Ave station (F line) was built with express tracks pointed towards Brooklyn (the 6th Ave express trains would have made up the bulk of the Utica Ave Line), at the Broadway G station there is the shell of the never built South 4th St station which was to serve Utica Ave trains, and at Utica Ave station on the Fulton St Line (A/C lines) there was on the upper level a shell for a 4 track station for Utica Ave trains. The current (M) does just fine providing a one-seat ride to Midtown, and riders on the (J) can just transfer. Have a design contest; results challenge. no, i only looked at pictures, ill look at post now LOL. Especially for a line such as the 5 that lacks walking distance stations in comparison to the Nostrand Avenue line. Looking at a modern take on IND plan, since the Chrystie St Connection rerouted the 6th Ave express trains over the Manhattan Bridge and the extra local service to Williamsburg, there is no extra capacity along 6th Ave to connect with the new line. [2] It is also served by the B46 and B46 SBS bus lines. But Utica predates 2nd Ave by at least a decade. why did you completely destroy the jamaica line, cant we just make a 3/4 line extension? Passangers want a train for the East and West Sides.By switching the 3 and 5 youre forcing passangers to make a crossover at Franklin when they could easily just have a one seat ride from Utica or Flatbush Av. There is a very good argument to be made that building the Worth St-Williamsburg section would alleviate traffic on the L train and serve a growing jobs center around Hudson Sq in lower Manhattan. The second plan would be far cheaper but would require that only local trains have access to Nostrand Ave while the express trains would split past the junction so that half would continue as locals and the other would run express. Lets see how we might mitigate the new round of issues you brought up. [21], This underground station serves local and express trains in a two-level layout with two island platforms. Its not a great idea but I was going off what I heard. Youve recognized its unused capacity and proposed filling it by connection to Jamaica Ave.; a Utica Ave. branch could work as well.. The gritty, graffiti-ridden New York City subway system is quite a character in Joker. While this would leave said train with two terminals, Far Rockaway and Ozone Park, this would leave said train heavily congested, because most passengers want to go from Midtown to East New York or The Rockaways, not Midtown to Kings Plaza. Finnaly, the IRT Utica Av doesnt have the provisions for having a IND Utica Av, so either one of two plans will have to happen: 1- Build a Eastern Pkwy Station under the 3/4 and have a steep incline back up to Empire Blvd so it can be able to portal out wherever (originally I thought it was going to portal out at Empire Blvd but I guess im wrong). 2- rebuild the Eastern Pkwy Station so that there are provisions for the line to pass through. Yes, and I mentioned that in the article. And its not a good alternative to the Lex, for the East Side, since the Lex is both more direct and has express trains. The important thing about the shorter option is that installing these switches could be done overnight or over a weekend and wouldnt require long term, disruptive construction. It is actually located between Schenectady and Utica Avenues and the two exits lead to the middle of the block, several feet from the actual cross street. The Utica Avenue subway would bring new rapid transit service to parts of Crown Heights . But MTA really needs to build an extension down Utica because its very dense, very isolated, and very cheap to build. The point of Utica Ave is that riders are trying to get downtown so who would ever ride the 4 all the way out just to switch to the A when they could have just gotten on the A at the first place. An elevated extension known as Route No. There is also limited rush hour 2 and 5 services here. That ramp was installed as part of the original BMT plans around 1917. Yet youd have it built to B division clearances. [17] On August 23, 1920, the Eastern Parkway Line was extended from Atlantic Avenue to Crown HeightsUtica Avenue, with the Utica Avenue station opening at this time. [23], The station's full-time exit is at the east end (railroad south) of the platforms. At Utica Avenue, provisions were made for a transfer to the proposed Utica Ave line. Great idea. You are correct that the larger option would require shutting down service which is one reason Im in favor of the smaller option. I would have to strongly object to abandoning Phase IV; that still leaves the entire SAS and Sixth Av LES stations without a direct connection to downtown (and thus fails the objective of relieving the Lex), leaves Water St underserved despite heavy employment density, and subjects SAS to the whims of the DeKalb interlocking. The closest stations to Utica Avenue are: Utica Av/Beverly Rd is 115 yards away, 2 min walk. . Meaning if the Livonia Yards are overcrowded and a train-related incident happens at Franklin;blocking off service to Manhattan, trains can run between New Lots and Flatbush and/or Kings Plaza and Flatbush. still hanging up there and apparently needing the dead space over ENY They will have wider entries, pathways and platforms so they wont have to be rebuilt to greater capacity later, as is being done to so many of them now. Finnaly, the A/C Utica Av station is directly under Utica Av. Located at Utica Avenue and Fulton Street in Bedford-Stuyvesant, Brooklyn, it is served by the A train at all times and the C train at all times except late nights. But whats your obsession with rerouting the 6th Ave Express to replace (J)/(M) trains? Furthermore, the neighborhoods in northern Brooklyn through which the first part of the line would run are already served by existing subways. Transfer the money (like it exists!) Viaducts where possible. Even today Utica makes too much sense. A new station would therefore have to be built below the existing 3/4 Utica Ave station before continuing south. With subway costs so high els may be the only way to go. But what Im proposing, and what Im sure no City plan would dare propose, is that the line not run above the center of the avenue such as existing elevated but rather along private land on the west side of the street. There seems to me to be two sections of this plan: the Worth St-South 4th-Stuyvesant Ave section and the Utica Ave section. The problem here is between these two streets one lane will have to be teared up and bus stops will have to be relocated and detoured, which messes up a lot of commuters daily travel. It will be express. Artwork here was made in 1996 by Jimmy James Green and is called Children's Cathedral. Whats needed for this to work, however, is the rebuilding of the Rogers Junction, the junction of the trunk and the Nostrand Ave Line at Franklin Ave. Its got limitations now, sure. Existing abandoned portions: Part of a station for 6 tracks, with four island platforms. They will have elevators or ramps for handicapped access. BBGUN63. This would be the beginning of the IND plan which would ultimately propose extending a branch of the 6th Ave Subway through Williamsburg and down Utica Ave. Granted it eventually meets up with all nine of those services, just not in the big pile-up. [25][26][27][28][29] Just east of this station, a bellmouth splits away from the local track on both levels, and curves south. Knowing the reality of MTA construction I would argue that the second plan is the preferable option. In 2001, an empty lot at Avenue N and Utica Avenue marked a trolley layup area that still hadn't been built on. Another elevator from the south mall leads to fare control.[23]. BED-STUY, BROOKLYN A person was hit and killed by a train at Utica Avenue station in Bed-Stuy on Wednesday morning, according to the MTA and FDNY. Look at the ceiling from the open platform, and at the mezzanine area at the north end. Construction commenced on Contract 2 on March 4, 1903. The Board of Rapid Transit Commissioners approved the route on September 27, 1900,[6] and the contract was signed on September 11, 1902. I also dont believe in using provisions for the sake of using provisions; S 4 St (the actual street parallel to Broadway) was never fully completed, so building a subway using that old path would be wildly expensive. Im not suggesting building an extension of the Crosstown Subway or tearing down the Broadway El, that is merely a reproduction of the 1931 IND plan. on Jamaica Ave to burrow the Broadway El into Fulton Lines station. Checking schedules for the A and C tells me that they max out at 17, leaving 9 slots for Utica St. service. You know those 44 tph the current arrangement allows? The point is that focusing on just the Utica Ave section alone could make this project shovel ready while 2nd Ave Phase 3 is still a pipe dream. The other spur would have led up Myrtle Ave. where the line would split again. Contract 2 extended the original line from City Hall in Manhattan to Atlantic Avenue in Brooklyn. This staircase leads up to a small mezzanine where there is a token booth and turnstiles. If the C leaves, the A becomes even more crowded/congested. This seems right as Fulton intersects cross-streets at that angle. Other sources indicate that the unused level at Fulton St.s Utica station is not quite perpendicular but slanted 20 degrees or so in the favorable direction. That leaves the Broadway portion Could be Im missing an important element here. While cost is an obvious reason for building an elevated over a subway there are also geological concerns in this area as the land through which Utica Ave runs has a very high water table and very sandy soil. 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As someone wiser than I recently put it: Ultimately a project with a higher up front price tag will be an invaluable investment that will pay dividends far into the future.. Have higher ceilings and most likely some sort of air cooling system for comfort. These look less industrial than plain Replace the most cumbersome and unattractive of existing el structures with We already did a shutdown that required all trains to be terminated at Franklin Av, and we survived! Hey, me again. It was the result of a partnership between the Hopi tribe and a group of Route 66 aficionados who are dedicated to preserving the heritage of this iconic road. Close by to where youd have your subway portal at Kings Highway is the Bay Ridge branch. I-beams and could be outfitted as faades on older structures as they This leaves the possibility of resurrecting the Worth St Line, a branch off the 8th Ave local that would split south of Canal St and head east via Worth St and East Broadway. [19][20], In 1981, the Metropolitan Transportation Authority listed the station among the 69 most deteriorated stations in the subway system. You could replace Lafayette Ave with a new station that joins the fray and then shares track with the R. All tunnels built after the original subway were built to B Division standards. The station has four tracks and two island platforms, typical for a four-track express station. In the station, there are ornate doors in the tile walls which serve as vent chambers. In May 2014, MTA installed three elevators: one near the intersection of Utica Avenue and Fulton Street, connecting the mezzanine to the street, and two elevators connecting the platforms to the mezzanine. This would also take relief off of the (B)/(Q) trains to the west. Between Avenue O and Fillmore St is an MTA bus maintenance facility which can be rebuilt to have a small yard on the roof. The school, at Avenue J can very easily be replaced using the existing parking lot across the street. Planning may have actually begun. Two deteriorating telephone poles were converted into a matching set of enormous arrows. Well then what are we waiting for? With these and the IRT provisions in place Utica Ave was always so tantalizingly close. Then Utica can fulfill both roles but as of now the only important section is south of Eastern Parkway. The 2 track Worth St Line would require a 3.15 mile tunnel from Tribeca to Williamsburg. Building a subway in these conditions means having to deal with tunnel flooding more so than normal and flooding means corrosion. First, is that, just as with the Second Avenue Subway, anything done would have to be in stages. Modern giant boring machines make drilling more cost effective and its common for all the tunneling to be complete years before the line can open, primarily because of stations. Hey, that was me. Queens Blvd is one of the busiest trunk lines in the city, so its definitely a second on the priority list, and even with East Side Access the MTA has set aside room to build the connecting tracks for the Bypass. Also, that wasnt a smart move, moving the 3 and 5 so that all local trains past Franklin Av are linked up together, and all express trains past Franklin Av are linked until Utica, except ones local and the others still express.Most passangers at Flatbush Av( I should know, this is part of my daily commute) Off-road (Chicago style). Gov. IRT 4 or 5 express will have higher headways than Fulton anyway you slice it so the smaller cars are offset with more of them. IF you really wanted to have a branch off of Fulton then the construction would not be as simple as you suggest. Building it to Water St requires all new infrastructure there and a new East River tunnel (which isnt needed) and with Nassau St located closer to the heart of the Financial District and with better transfer options (that Water St would not be able to provide) it seems obvious that its a better routing. Besides, with Utica so far out it would be much better service to have express trains rather than a longer local train. Despite his influence as Senate Majority Leader, the Utica Avenue subway may never leave the station. I realize it looks like Im being hypercritical but thats 4. I do like the general arc of this post, although there is one bit I find a bit questionable; > Looking at a modern take on IND plan, since the Chrystie St Connection rerouted the 6th Ave express trains over the Manhattan Bridge and the extra local service to Williamsburg, there is no extra capacity along 6th Ave to connect with the new line. Drawing fantasy lines on paper is far more fun when you have unlimited possibilities but if we are planning out a project today there are some real world considerations that come first. The only elevated line that the IND ever built was the Culver Viaduct between Carroll St and 4th Ave-9th Sts and this was done in a similar way. The incident happened inside the Utica Avenue subway station in Brooklyn on Christmas Eve. Many transit activists I talk to refuse any plan which would take a single building but this is unrealistic in any city. Also if most people are going to midtown (which Id argue given the census data I show isnt the case) then there is nothing in the way of this with the new routing. I agree using Worth has disadvantages. There is another part of the IND plan which, as far as I can tell, no one has figured out or brought up yet. The tracks are outlined by a pattern in the ceiling on top of the four trackways at the Utica Avenue station; therefore it appears that there are four trackways and two island platforms running diagonally across the ceiling in the center. Utica Avenue is served by the New York City Subway 's IRT Eastern Parkway Line ( 3 and 4 trains) at the Crown Heights-Utica Avenue station at Eastern Parkway [1] and by the IND Fulton Street Line ( A and C trains) at the Utica Avenue station on Fulton Street. Same with Crown Heights-Utica Av. 14 St. W 14 St and 7th Ave, W 13 St and 7th Ave, W 12 St and 7th Ave. Two island platforms. However, if such a public-private partnership could be established and developers enlisted to build the stations then a couple more could be added. Remember any from of transit is only used when planning for the future such as the L train renovations and Clark tunnel reconstruction. 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